tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6835146.post113635495959770494..comments2024-02-29T20:47:55.277-05:00Comments on Vincent Cheung: Escaped, but without my dignityVincehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04679171906740071319noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6835146.post-64373099321660343122009-11-11T09:33:37.161-05:002009-11-11T09:33:37.161-05:00Fuck El Al airlines, they discriminate against any...Fuck El Al airlines, they discriminate against anyone who is non Israeli. I was flying to Israel for the first time, and was selected for extra screening. They went through all my luggage while I was not present. They gave me a full body frisking and made me lower my pants. They took my extra laptop battery, camera batteries, and laptop charger. They said I could not travel with these items. They made me check my laptop, and camera, saying I could not carry them on the plane. Other people had their laptops and cameras on the plane. Fuck El Al airlines, they're bigots.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6835146.post-29564864008466805222007-03-05T13:55:00.000-05:002007-03-05T13:55:00.000-05:00this old post popped up in my reader coz of a rece...this old post popped up in my reader coz of a recent comment. whenever we get to meet up and talk in the real world or even on msn again, i will tell you about the trick i played on mimi when we were flying el al on our l.a. tripMs. Lyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01202813450693236933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6835146.post-71800259506945382562007-02-19T06:20:00.000-05:002007-02-19T06:20:00.000-05:0019/02/2007 i hope that you have chaged your mind n...19/02/2007<BR/> i hope that you have chaged your mind now that all airlines have much tighter security no more any thing as hand luggage...every thing in the hold....those bloody jews were just before other people time and no hidejacking ...<BR/>well done to them I will flight them any time...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6835146.post-1144751024534234122006-04-11T06:23:00.000-04:002006-04-11T06:23:00.000-04:00All I can say is that EL AL's treatment of non-Isr...All I can say is that EL AL's treatment of non-Israelis is absolute outrage. Arriving 4 hours ahead of my LAX-YYZ flight (I was transferring from another airline at LAX), I was "interviewed" by the loitering security people while waiting in the line. They asked the normal questions regarding luggage, etc, while speaking Hebrew to each other. They went through my passports (I have Australian and British) and checked every single stamp, and seemed incredulous that I had a UAE - Dubai stamp. I had a lay-over a few months before. After that, it all went to buggery. I was told that my roll-on suitcase was too large (although it was smaller than others carried by the Israelis in front of me), and had to be checked. I was then told to get it scanned (fine) but intercepted in the queue and taken into an interview room behind the counter. There I was asked for my shoes (which were removed, and presumably scanned for something - they took about 5 minutes to do that) and told that they would be taking ALL my hand luggage, including my computer, camera - everything. They would take it to the gate for me, they said. I quizzed them - could I take my computer? I wasn't happy leaving my hand luggage and asked if it was safe. They claimed it was, and this was "their procedure". I said that I had seen others carrying hand luggage, and asked why I was being treated like this. They repeated that this was "their procedure". I didn't want to be a bastard, so I relented. Carrying only my passport (and now with a fluorescent pen mark on the soles of my shoes - again, unexplained) I went through the LAX security to the gate. After arriving at the gate, they close the gate lounge and thew everyone out, checking passports as people re-entered. I was immediately isolated, and escorted to a taped-off area. Here I was reunited with my hand luggage, where both it an my shoes (again) were swabbed for explosives. Standing in my socks, I was asked to remove all metal objects and sent through a metal detector. On the third time when it still went off, I was taken by a male "security" goon behind a pathetic little screen. Here I had the hand-held metal detector repeatedly run over me, looking for god knows what. It turns out that the metal button and zipper on my jeans were setting the detector off. "Drop your jeans", said the guy. So here I am, standing in the gate lounge with my jeans around my ankles. This procedure took about 5 minutes, whilst the lug took the opportunity to run his hands all over my body. Lovely. Fantastic. Thank you very much. Of course, there was nothing, and I was "released". I checked my hand-luggage to find that they had not only been through everything, but had taken my suitcase key from my key-ring, and not returned it. I went back and asked who I should talk to about things missing from my hand-luggage. They said that they had not received my suitcase from my previous flight (despite re-checking it as normal at LAX over 4 hours before), but that they would return the key before the flight. I resolved to sit in the gate lounge until this happened. When I was the last person there, my key was returned and I boarded the flight. Needless to say, when arriving in Toronto, my luggage did not arrive. I filed a claim with the most unfriendly EL Al representative I had yet met, who seemed to deem the lost luggage as beneath him. Courtesly, I thanked him for helping me. Of course, 2 days later I have still not received my luggage. Compensation, you say? Nothing. Not a dime. But what am I most upset about? Two things: Firstly, that they do not explain what is going on. No one ever said "You've been selected for additional screening. We realise this is inconvenient and might be upsetting, and we apologise, but we will try to be as polite and respectful as possible." Secondly, they totally and obviously discriminate against non-Israeli passport holders, and treat those that they select in an apalling manner. None of the Israelis had their hand luggage inspected. None of them were strip-searched. I am a frequent flyer (about 300,000 km/yr) but will I ever fly El Al again? Take a wild stab in the dark. I cannot be more outraged or more disgusted by their treatment of passengers. Who cares about the meal or the seat-pitch?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6835146.post-1137058839664390912006-01-12T04:40:00.000-05:002006-01-12T04:40:00.000-05:00I've been on El Al flights several times doing the...I've been on El Al flights several times doing the bay area-Israel route again and again. Though the extra security is very noticeable, I never felt the inconvenience you did. Maybe because I was never tagged as a threat to security as you did, I was however tagged on one flight using United Airlines (on which I was carrying a Hub - You can draw your own conclusions). The United Airlines extra security check was horrific, all my baggage and carry-ons were extra searched, everything opened and checked again. Some items got broken, a few completely missing, one of my begs couldn’t close at all after the check. And all of this pre-11/9.<BR/><BR/>As you said El Al doesn’t trust the airport security and rightfully so. They ARE the safest airline in the world and believe it or not I know people who pay the extra cash (they are a bit more expensive) to fly them. You can be sure there were additional safeguards you didn’t even notice all around you, like a covert armed flight marshal or two on the plane itself, etc.<BR/><BR/>A word of advice, never TRY to look unsuspicious, those types of security personnel will track you down in a second. Just be normal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6835146.post-1136534427133821232006-01-06T03:00:00.000-05:002006-01-06T03:00:00.000-05:00Well, I was kinda joking about being singled out b...Well, I was kinda joking about being singled out b/c I was Chinese. Just funny from my perspective as throughout the whole process, everyone around me (checking-in, security, gate, and on the plane) were jewish and speaking in Hebrew and everything on the plane was in Hebrew and I stuck out like a sore thumb, a sore thumb that at least knew to keep his mouth shut.Vincehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04679171906740071319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6835146.post-1136528741601734932006-01-06T01:25:00.000-05:002006-01-06T01:25:00.000-05:00Vince, I would say the experience was much needed....Vince, I would say the experience was much needed. In the West security is so crappy that even today you can manage to get stuff thru. However, I was bought up in areas where security was tighter (even 10 years ago) than what you experienced recently. When I was in Iran, the first thing the military type guys at the airport checked on inbound and outbound was your shoes. then they would grab you balls to check if anything funny was there. It was similar with women. But ofcourse women military officers checked women. Unfortunately, most of my troublesome experiences in airports were infact in muslim countries. Even though my first name is MOHAMMAD I rarely got hassled in western airports. Well , I suppose it must be much harsher now as I have not travelled in the past 2 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6835146.post-1136478668998311352006-01-05T11:31:00.000-05:002006-01-05T11:31:00.000-05:00For the record: my first comment was before the up...For the record: my first comment was <EM>before</EM> the update.<BR/><BR/>Now Vince, don't you think you are doing some extra racial profiling yourself here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6835146.post-1136437688415787012006-01-05T00:08:00.000-05:002006-01-05T00:08:00.000-05:00Expedia's fine, just be careful of flights operate...Expedia's fine, just be careful of flights operated by other airlines, i.e. check the flight on the airline's webpage.Vincehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04679171906740071319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6835146.post-1136425673230869142006-01-04T20:47:00.000-05:002006-01-04T20:47:00.000-05:00holy crap! as bad as your experience was while rea...holy crap! as bad as your experience was while reading it i was thinking about how worse it would be if i had gone through it...<BR/><BR/>me thinks i will avoid expediaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6835146.post-1136399987643012482006-01-04T13:39:00.000-05:002006-01-04T13:39:00.000-05:00wait till el al gets wind of this blog. you're a ...wait till el al gets wind of this blog. <BR/><BR/>you're a goner.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12815347290766957340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6835146.post-1136396439571897152006-01-04T12:40:00.000-05:002006-01-04T12:40:00.000-05:00So, I'm quite sure that they opened up my razor. ...So, I'm quite sure that they opened up my razor. It still wasn't working this morning after charging overnight, so I popped it open to see if I could see something broken. Nothing stood out as unordinary, but after putting it back together it worked!<BR/><BR/>So, two things that were broken were fixed by simply taking them apart and putting them back together. El Al, if you're gonna rip open everything, at least put them back together properly. At least my laptop's working and has no obvious scratches.Vincehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04679171906740071319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6835146.post-1136394748565364412006-01-04T12:12:00.000-05:002006-01-04T12:12:00.000-05:00Well I can understand why they would give you a ha...Well I can understand why they would give you a hard time. Why? you need only to refer back to your October 29 post where you discovered that you are currently serving time for being convicted of a double murder. You think this airline is high tech with all the safety procedures? Nah, they just google everyone. How did you escape prison anyway? Must've been with your razor and router.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6835146.post-1136392931521793472006-01-04T11:42:00.000-05:002006-01-04T11:42:00.000-05:00that's ridiculous.let's just say i would never fly...that's ridiculous.<BR/><BR/>let's just say i would never fly it after your story. good looking flight attendants or not.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12815347290766957340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6835146.post-1136385807575563742006-01-04T09:43:00.000-05:002006-01-04T09:43:00.000-05:00Hey.. look at the bright side, at least they didn'...Hey.. look at the bright side, at least they didn't do a body cavity search..Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17683943155394108309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6835146.post-1136362505657297402006-01-04T03:15:00.000-05:002006-01-04T03:15:00.000-05:00I can tell you for sure that they take security ve...I can tell you for sure that they take security very seriously and I understand the precautions that they took, but from my perspective, it was all a bit extreme for someone just flying from LA to Toronto. The whole problem was because the flight just so happened to continue onto Tel Aviv...Vincehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04679171906740071319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6835146.post-1136357712380604492006-01-04T01:55:00.000-05:002006-01-04T01:55:00.000-05:00It's considered one of the safest (if not the safe...It's considered one of the safest (if not <EM>the</EM> safest) airlines in the world.<BR/><BR/>That said, most Israeli frequent fliers avoid it if they have any other alternative. This is an issue because they still (even though they are no longer owned by the state) monopolize the in and outbound Israeli traffic. They play a rotten game and they are not loved, but trusted for their safety.<BR/><BR/>I've never had an issue because I carry an Israeli passport but I wouldn't take it so personally. They are thorough and their profiling is not random. You must have done something to trigger a closer look.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com